Polymarket<@1372793119946440746> I beg you to respond to this argument, as no one else has responded
<@1372793119946440746> I beg you to respond to this argument, as no one else has responded
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共 1585 条，显示第 301-350 条I overwhelmingly agree
I overwhelmingly agree
you forgot to attach the gigachad image
you forgot to attach the gigachad image
fuck off
fuck off
my bags nigga
my bags nigga
the fact that vance spoke it makes the agreement public
the fact that vance spoke it makes the agreement public
ok, I give up
ok, I give up
agreement - with whom?
agreement - with whom?
Any agreement or pledge made before the resolution date of this market will qualify, regardless of** IF** / when the agreement goes into effect
Any agreement or pledge made before the resolution date of this market will qualify, regardless of** IF** / when the agreement goes into effect
lol
lol
can u ask arbguy to unblock me
can u ask arbguy to unblock me
someone tell arbguy to unblock me
someone tell arbguy to unblock me
I have asked you a concrete question
I have asked you a concrete question
it is a memorandum language, which means legal, not conversational
it is a memorandum language, which means legal, not conversational
where did this come from? is it a legal mandate or did they pull it out of the ayatollah's ass?
where did this come from? is it a legal mandate or did they pull it out of the ayatollah's ass?
"8. Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. and Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched materials, pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with at a minimum a downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA."
"8. Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. and Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched materials, pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with at a minimum a downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA."
the clause quite clearly refers to a concrete legal mandate, under which they're ALSO not allowed to procure or develop nuclear weapons. which legal mandate do you suppose it is?
the clause quite clearly refers to a concrete legal mandate, under which they're ALSO not allowed to procure or develop nuclear weapons. which legal mandate do you suppose it is?
again, I will ask. which legal mandate are they re-affirming, as per the memorandum clause 8?
again, I will ask. which legal mandate are they re-affirming, as per the memorandum clause 8?
they don't have to lay it out in a 12-year-old's dictionary for an illiterate ESL polymarket trader
they don't have to lay it out in a 12-year-old's dictionary for an illiterate ESL polymarket trader
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the fact that they're agreeing to discuss the matter later has no causal relationship with the pledge to freeze enrichment
the fact that they're agreeing to discuss the matter later has no causal relationship with the pledge to freeze enrichment
"8. Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. and Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched materials, pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with at a minimum a downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA."
"8. Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The U.S. and Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched materials, pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with at a minimum a downblending on site under the supervision of the IAEA."
they do not have a legal right and I just explained per which legal mandate
they do not have a legal right and I just explained per which legal mandate
true. they didn't comply. but what exactly do you think they're re-affirming here?
true. they didn't comply. but what exactly do you think they're re-affirming here?
iran does not have any legal right to any enrichment
iran does not have any legal right to any enrichment
Pre-JCPOA UNSC resolutions (particularly 1696, 1737, and others) explicitly required Iran to suspend all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, to be verified by the IAEA. These were part of measures addressing proliferation concerns. These obligations were suspended under UNSC Resolution 2231 (2015, endorsing the JCPOA) but were reinstated via the "snapback" mechanism in September 2025 after the E3 (France, Germany, UK) triggered the process in August 2025 due to Iran's significant non-performance. The mechanism is designed to be veto-proof, and it reimposed the prior sanctions and core requirements (including suspension of enrichment). The IAEA's February 2026 report (GOV/2026-8) explicitly states that these reinstated resolutions apply and require Iran to suspend enrichment-related activities (including R&D), with verification by the Agency. The IAEA cannot currently verify whether Iran is complying with this suspension due to lack of access. The JCPOA itself was a political agreement (not a treaty), with time-limited restrictions (many expiring around 2030–2031). It has been defunct in practice since Iran's breaches beginning in 2019 and the U.S. withdrawal in 2018.
Pre-JCPOA UNSC resolutions (particularly 1696, 1737, and others) explicitly required Iran to suspend all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, to be verified by the IAEA. These were part of measures addressing proliferation concerns. These obligations were suspended under UNSC Resolution 2231 (2015, endorsing the JCPOA) but were reinstated via the "snapback" mechanism in September 2025 after the E3 (France, Germany, UK) triggered the process in August 2025 due to Iran's significant non-performance. The mechanism is designed to be veto-proof, and it reimposed the prior sanctions and core requirements (including suspension of enrichment). The IAEA's February 2026 report (GOV/2026-8) explicitly states that these reinstated resolutions apply and require Iran to suspend enrichment-related activities (including R&D), with verification by the Agency. The IAEA cannot currently verify whether Iran is complying with this suspension due to lack of access. The JCPOA itself was a political agreement (not a treaty), with time-limited restrictions (many expiring around 2030–2031). It has been defunct in practice since Iran's breaches beginning in 2019 and the U.S. withdrawal in 2018.
Iran is currently not legally allowed to enrich uranium. that is the legal status quo, which they re-affirmed
Iran is currently not legally allowed to enrich uranium. that is the legal status quo, which they re-affirmed
any enrichment can be considered to be a part of the nuclear program
any enrichment can be considered to be a part of the nuclear program
"reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons" they re-affirm the fact that they are not developing one. hence, the status quo
"reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons" they re-affirm the fact that they are not developing one. hence, the status quo
this is a textbook Y case
this is a textbook Y case
I think the ruleset makes the intention of this market very clear
I think the ruleset makes the intention of this market very clear
LOL
LOL
"even if the agreement is not finalized or part of a formalized peace deal."
"even if the agreement is not finalized or part of a formalized peace deal."
Any agreement or pledge made before the resolution date of this market will qualify, regardless of **IF** / when the agreement goes into effect
Any agreement or pledge made before the resolution date of this market will qualify, regardless of **IF** / when the agreement goes into effect
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I'm making an argument though
I'm making an argument though
you don't have the slightest clue what the current state of enrichment actually is
you don't have the slightest clue what the current state of enrichment actually is
continuation of not enriching means pledging not to enrich, or the declaration thereof
continuation of not enriching means pledging not to enrich, or the declaration thereof
"things as they are" implies "ending enrichment" you have issues comprehending complex problems
"things as they are" implies "ending enrichment" you have issues comprehending complex problems
as per the pi 7486 clarification,
as per the pi 7486 clarification,
your last paragraph is completely unintelligible. it's a logical fallacy
your last paragraph is completely unintelligible. it's a logical fallacy
the act of "maintaining" is the act of "pledge"
the act of "maintaining" is the act of "pledge"
The MOU treats the current stockpile as a fixed quantity that needs to be addressed in negotiations (downblending). If Iran resumes or expands uranium enrichment during this 60-day window, the stockpile grows. A growing stockpile directly undermines the stated purpose of the negotiation period (reducing/disposing of the stockpile). The downblending mandate is undermined by any new enrichment. If Iran is permitted to continue or resume enrichment (even at low levels) during this window, a causal problem arises: The total enriched uranium stockpile grows while the parties are supposed to be negotiating how to reduce it. This would make the interim framework internally incoherent. The only way the downblending negotiation makes sense is if the stockpile (and the enrichment that feeds it) is held constant. Low-enriched uranium is the direct feedstock for further enrichment to higher levels. Allowing Iran to produce new LEU during the 60-day interim period increases the available feed material - hence the "status quo of nuclear program" - which eludes a strict definition.
The MOU treats the current stockpile as a fixed quantity that needs to be addressed in negotiations (downblending). If Iran resumes or expands uranium enrichment during this 60-day window, the stockpile grows. A growing stockpile directly undermines the stated purpose of the negotiation period (reducing/disposing of the stockpile). The downblending mandate is undermined by any new enrichment. If Iran is permitted to continue or resume enrichment (even at low levels) during this window, a causal problem arises: The total enriched uranium stockpile grows while the parties are supposed to be negotiating how to reduce it. This would make the interim framework internally incoherent. The only way the downblending negotiation makes sense is if the stockpile (and the enrichment that feeds it) is held constant. Low-enriched uranium is the direct feedstock for further enrichment to higher levels. Allowing Iran to produce new LEU during the 60-day interim period increases the available feed material - hence the "status quo of nuclear program" - which eludes a strict definition.
Iran has made an official pledge to do so, under the memorandum. You can find it if you read the memorandum at least once
Iran has made an official pledge to do so, under the memorandum. You can find it if you read the memorandum at least once
you keep liking my messages and clowning anyone else directly saying that it's a Y
you keep liking my messages and clowning anyone else directly saying that it's a Y
issou, are you retarded my friend?
issou, are you retarded my friend?
you're inventing new words, which cannot be found in the ruleset
you're inventing new words, which cannot be found in the ruleset
Iranian sources are not credible as per the precedent
Iranian sources are not credible as per the precedent
OK, then Vance made a qualifying announcement
OK, then Vance made a qualifying announcement
At least I have ground to stand on in regard to the status quo. You believe that legal language in a memorandum and conversational language are the same,
At least I have ground to stand on in regard to the status quo. You believe that legal language in a memorandum and conversational language are the same,