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社区呼吁引入TWAP机制遏制5分钟市场操纵

2026-07-12 · Polymarket · 19 条相关讨论

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 09:04:05

Ok, please write this down on a notepad next to you: I am not claiming it will go away I am claiming it will be massively reduced

Ok, please write this down on a notepad next to you: I am not claiming it will go away I am claiming it will be massively reduced

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 09:04:55

Because there are basic statistical properties of markets you can measure

Because there are basic statistical properties of markets you can measure

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 09:06:19

This is a zero sum game. When manipulators make money, everyone else loses

This is a zero sum game. When manipulators make money, everyone else loses

ohan 2026-07-12 09:07:53

i think manip is basically not a problem on kalshi

i think manip is basically not a problem on kalshi

ohan 2026-07-12 09:08:12

and they do like much more volume than poly at this point

and they do like much more volume than poly at this point

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 09:20:29

What's the point of volume if manipulators are the main profiteers?

What's the point of volume if manipulators are the main profiteers?

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 09:21:07

But Kalshi has substantially less manipulation and substantially more volume, so your argument doesn't hold at all really

But Kalshi has substantially less manipulation and substantially more volume, so your argument doesn't hold at all really

033033033 2026-07-12 09:23:46

I mean TWAP is being added regardless, so I just don't see a big issue with them testing on 15m markets

I mean TWAP is being added regardless, so I just don't see a big issue with them testing on 15m markets

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 09:24:03

It does right? If manipulators make 5% pnl on volume traded, then they don't need to do as much volume to make money For the rest of us our captures are close to 1% So the rest of us are willing to do 5x the volume to make money Meaning more fees for poly if they reduce manipulation

It does right? If manipulators make 5% pnl on volume traded, then they don't need to do as much volume to make money For the rest of us our captures are close to 1% So the rest of us are willing to do 5x the volume to make money Meaning more fees for poly if they reduce manipulation

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 09:24:59

The issue is that by not making the executive decision and doing the switch, and 'testing' it instead, poly are facilitating the manipulators' trading. That is facilitation of theft and market manipulation

The issue is that by not making the executive decision and doing the switch, and 'testing' it instead, poly are facilitating the manipulators' trading. That is facilitation of theft and market manipulation

oliver 2026-07-12 09:25:35

do u want twap michael

do u want twap michael

Michael Markout 2026-07-12 09:27:07

im bored of spending 4 hours a day tracking manipulator wallets so i can copychud them just for them to rugpull me

im bored of spending 4 hours a day tracking manipulator wallets so i can copychud them just for them to rugpull me

Michael Markout 2026-07-12 09:29:51

if you look at the crypto leaderboards a few months ago it was a good healthy mix of manipulators and regular traders

if you look at the crypto leaderboards a few months ago it was a good healthy mix of manipulators and regular traders

Michael Markout 2026-07-12 09:29:59

now its just manipulators and noone else is making money

now its just manipulators and noone else is making money

toine 2026-07-12 09:32:39

I think the better order would be to first fix it and only then add fees

I think the better order would be to first fix it and only then add fees

richlb 2026-07-12 14:30:50

<:Bidensmile:1040247925420339251> But that's the fate of this market—5m markets are built for manipulators.

<:Bidensmile:1040247925420339251> But that's the fate of this market—5m markets are built for manipulators.

richlb 2026-07-12 14:32:59

Even if TWAP block the small-fry manipulators, so what—you think Jane Street, SIG, and Jump Trading won't manipulate markets? They will—and they're probably already doing it.

Even if TWAP block the small-fry manipulators, so what—you think Jane Street, SIG, and Jump Trading won't manipulate markets? They will—and they're probably already doing it.

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 14:37:08

I think if you move over to TWAP - most of those guys will stop/do it far less often

I think if you move over to TWAP - most of those guys will stop/do it far less often

TeenyTinySharpe 2026-07-12 14:39:58

unavoidable - as in completely eradicating manipulation - sure i agree. But reducing it 80%+? nah - very possible.

unavoidable - as in completely eradicating manipulation - sure i agree. But reducing it 80%+? nah - very possible.